GroProject Scam – The Opinions & Views of Past & Present Users

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Gro-Pro

A while back (8/6/2009) we put together a post about why Auto accessory Store & Mimousa do not use their own “as they say” great design and seo ranking shopping cart that they are selling off  like hot cakes to people (life span is 3 months when you join and pay them btw). Here is the post we did please read it. Why they dont use there own technology?

The point of this post is to make you aware as of today 11/24/2009 they still are not using there own shopping cart, but that they are converting you to use it… so what we see going on now besides the obvious scam is that mimousa is running the brand “mimousa” under the new name   YARKUZA? This may be due to the negative actions of the brand name mimousa? or they just do not have any confidence in their shopping cart to switch it over?

This site has the same phone number, address and of course the same cookie cutter design thats out there 1000 times over. But this is just our observation.

JUST AN OPINION HERE BUT WE THINK THAT THE MIMOUSA BRAND, MANUFACTURING IS ALL ABOUT  TRADE MARK INFRINGEMENT, DESIGN HI-JACKING AND COPYWRITE THEFT TO SELL OTHER COMPANY ITEMS  UNDER THEIR BRAND NAME AND PROFIT FROM IT….. PUT A STICKER ON IT AND IN A NEW BOX AND ITS OURS?

The above statement “life span is 3 months when you join and pay them” read this post for more details then calculate how much $$$ MONEY $$$$ you want to waste on this…..THEN JOIN OUR FORUM.

THANKS

We just wanted to thank everyone for the Huge response and loads of emails on what they should do for their future with eCommerce.

Below is the copied text of a sales ad for Shopping cart elite from Craigslist.org. I see this add all over the country and I am curious how many of you got sucked in by this ad? It shows that this is an unbeatable deal, you must not pass it up, what you’re going to get, and how cheap it sounds. The reality is, it is a dream being sold to you. Like most craigslist.org frauds they prey on the people that do not know and are looking for that next BIG thing out there. Gro Project Venture, Mimousa, Setuno inc  and Shopping cart elite is not the answer to your prayers. Below I will break down all the text with red fonts to explain what is real or not. We have 4 images copied from this craigslist.org ad for you to see. THE AD WILL MOST LIKELY CHANGE AFTER THIS BLOG POST IS OUT THERE. You can also comment in OUR FORUM on this subject as well as all the others that are there. Plus you get freebies about shopping carts, SEO, LPO, SEM and social networking as they evolve from members. Its Free to join and there are no ads anywhere. Enjoy the reading below.

HERE IS THE URL TO AD ON CRAIGSLIST: http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bfs/1272117471.html

“Contact us now: (800)403-8117 to speak about your options
OUR 30 SECOND SALES PITCH
Includes website design (no logo) and training”   THE DESIGN IS COOKIE CUTTER TEMPLATE LIKE THE REST OF THEM, THE LOGO IS AN EXTRA FEE. $$$
“All products will be drop shipped, you will not stock anything. The supplier will ship directly to your customers. “
“Buy Now and we will contact you within 24 hours to start your business! We will execute your business plan 100% to your satisfaction.”  THEY HOPE YOU ARE NOT PICKY & HAVE A LOW SATISFACTION LEVEL
“30 days money back guaranteed if you are not satisfied with our service or business plan. YOU HAVE NO RISK, WE GUARANTEE IT .”  30 DAYS FROM NOW YOU WILL BE IN TRAINING CLASSES THAT ARE 3 MONTHS LONG SO THERE GOES THE MONEY BACK GAURENTEE
“State of the art Shopping Cart Elite software is used to operate this website .” STILL IN DEVELOPMENT AND PRE BETA STAGES MAY NOT BE PCI COMPLIANT
“Build a loyal customer base that will buy your products on a constant basis
Recurring Hosting and License Fee from Shopping Cart Elite (www.shoppingcartelite.com) is $99 per month”  SO YOU HAVE A FEE OF $299 + $99X12 = $1487.00? PLUS A LOGO FEE THAT IS NOT SPECIFIED. SEEMS A BIT HIGH FOR 1 SITE. ASK ABOUT THE 5 SITES OFFER FOR $1200 COMPLETE WITH LOGO AND EXTRA FEES
“Short Term revenue potential ranges from $100,000USD – $400,000USD annually depending on the conversions.”  ASK FOR 3 VERIFIABLE REFERENCES. DEPENDING ON CONVERSIONS? SO THE REALITY IS, YOU NEED TO MAKE MONTHLY GROSS SALES BETWEEN $8,333.33 & $33,333.33 AND DAILY BETWEEN $277.76 & $1,111.10 NOW I AM NOT SAYING IT IS NOT POSSIBLE BUT THIS WOULD BE 1-2 YEARS FROM NOW. ASK THEM TO SHOW YOU ANY SITE ON THEIR PLATFORM PERFORMING AT THIS LEVEL.

Profit Margins 8% – 30% on brand name products, 16% – 50% on non-popular brand name and private labeled products  TAKE THE ABOVE “POTENTIAL GROSS SALES” NUMBERS AND DO THE MATH 8%-50%?. YOUR REALISTIC DAILY NET INCOME IS ONLY GOING TO BE 5% TO 10% AFTER ALL THE FEES AND GARBAGE IS ADDED ON. SO HOW MUCH ARE WILLING TO WORK FOR? $13.85 TO $55.55 PER DAY!

QUICK OVERVIEW
eCommerce retailers are entrepreneurs who deal with distributors or manufacturers to retail products to the end consumers on the Internet. Niche market retailer is when an entrepreneur starts a dedicated website specializing in a specific target market. Using a specific domain name and our specific business plan, as a retailer you will target a specific group of people and win their business. As a niche market retailer you will rank above your competitors (if any) and dominate the market share for your niche.  THERE IS COMPETITION AND PLENTY OF IT JUST WITHIN GRO PROJECT. THEIR 6 “BODY KIT” SITES 4-6 “AIR INTAKE” SITES WHO KNOWS HOW MANY DASH TRIM AND STEERING WHEEL COVER SITES. AS YOU GET INVOLVED IT WILL BE TOO LATE FOR YOU WHEN YOU REALIZE THE COMPITITION. AS FOR NON RELATED GRO PROJECT SITES YOU WILL ONLY GAIN A PERCENTAGE OF THAT CUSTOMER BASE “NOT DOMINATE” IT.  

Selecting a niche has to be a smart decision because you may not have a supplier, best price, competitiveness, etc. This is why we offer you this package to help you make your decision and execute your business plan. THIS IS ALL PREDETERMENED WITHIN GRO PROJECT ALREADY.

WHAT DO YOU GET?

An exclusive website for a particular niche, after the sale we will not sell another website for that niche
COMPLETE DESIGN AND WALK THROUGH OF THE SHOPPING CART ELITE SOFTWARE (www.shoppingcartelite.com)
Suppliers who will drop ship the products for you (Learn what Drop Shipping is) OVERALL THIS IS MIMO USA RELATED SUPPLIERS & CAN ONLY PURCHASE FROM THEM.
A business plan that will take you from startup to a successful company
One click full data pre-load on your website.
CASE STUDIES

custommaxima.com case study Case study about a niche car market  I WILL POST ABOUT THESE SITES AND THERE CASE STUDIES ANOTHER TIME, BUT IT IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS

remusexhaustshop.com case study Case study about a niche brand market  NOT OPERATING ON THEIR PLATFORM.

CRITICAL REQUIREMENTS WE ADDRESS

Shopping Cart Elite was specifically designed for retailers to have a smooth time running their online business. See all the Shopping Cart Elite Features
Advanced SEO technology (shopping cart) in which you can be fully confident that it will deliver traffic to your website
Sophisticated back office to manage products on your website in an advanced format (such as products with options or products mapped to a car application, etc.)
Back office that does order managements, order tracking, returns, accounting, etc.
Data for your store (automatically synced with your store)
Suppliers who will give you data and discounts
User friendly website functionality with an excellent website design
Long Term Potential:

Getting involved in wholesale and becoming a certified Supplier to the Shopping Cart Elite community, revenue potential ranges from $400,000USD – $1,000,000USD annually and building a network of sites concentrated towards the same market place and dominate the market share. NEED I BOTHER ON THIS ONE? YOU GET THE IDEA HERE.

SUPPLIER LIST

www.mimousa.com

www.streamlineddropship.com

www.norcaldropship.com  THE 3 ABOVE ARE CONTROLLED AND PROFITED BY MIMO USA

www.turn14.com  THIS ONE IS AN INDEPENDENT DISTRIBUTOR THAT MIMO BUYS FROM WWW.JSCSPEED.COM

A FEW WEBSITES THAT WE HELPED START

www.300zxtuner.com

www.bodykitexpert.com

www.hhraccessory.com

www.f150mania.com

WHY SO CHEAP FOR SUCH A PROFITABLE BUSINESS?  BECAUSE IT SOUNDS GOOD LIKE MOST SCAMS OUT THERE?

The business needs to expand. It’s a brand new store with a design, data and suppliers. You own the business but you don’t own the Shopping Cart Elite source code or software. You will be licensing the software and hosting your business from Shopping Cart Elite directly. The onetime fee that you are paying is for the website design, product data, business plan and supplier referral only.

The website will be valued 10 – 20 times more than what we are selling it for after a client spends 2-4 months working on it. ASK FOR THE BASIS OF THIS ESTIMATE WITH SUPPORTING VERIFIABLE EXAMPLES Certainly we can do all of the work ourselves, however we are not machines and can’t do everything. We own several successful businesses and we are now concentrated on technology and education, not product selling or customer service. BECAUSE IT IS NOT AS PROFIABLE AND EASY AS THEY SAY Thus we are willing to teach you how to operate this business and gain you as a client for us and Shopping Cart Elite.

WHAT YOU DON’T GET!

This is not a get rich quick scheme. This will require a minimum of 10-20 hours of work per week for a minimum period of 2 months before seeing results. It will take 4-6 months to see sufficient revenue from this business. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ABOVE STATEMENT? 10-20 TIMES MORE VALUED IN 2-4 MONTHS? CONTRADICTIONS NOW?
This is not a scheme, LIES where we sell you an online website that does not work just for the sake of making a few hundred dollars. We are an agent for Shopping Cart Elite MLM and our goal is to make you a successful company. If we sign you up and you quit in 2 months than we will fail at what we are doing.  BUT WILL NOT REFUND YOUR MONEY & ANOTHER PERSON WILL PICK UP FROM THE WORK YOU DID We want you to make money and succeed, so DON’T CONSIDER THIS A ONE TIME SALE. We will do everything in our power to get you to succeed, until you do succeed.

THIS WHOLE THING IS CALLED “SITE BUILDERS” “MLM” IT IS A SCHEME TO TARGET YOU ON PURCHASING A COMPLETED WEBSTORE SITE. WHILE YOU ARE BEING TRAINED YOU WILL REALIZE YOU ARE BEING TOLD TO REBUILD THE STORE YOU JUST PAID FOR AND PAY EVERY MONTH FOR.  IT WAS PUT TOGETHER QUICKLY BY PEOPLE LIKE YOUR SELF AS A WAY TO KEEP MEMBERS GOING THAT ARE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY AT THIS TIME. ITS NOT REALLY IMPORTANT IF YOU STAY.

Thanks, Good Luck from Gro-Pro  

WOW!>>>>  GRO fees will be waived until 12/1/09.

That’s the post on twitter.com/igorsoshkin. So does this mean “ALL” the fees? and if so that means all the members have a REFUND on the way to them? That would be great for all the people for the last year that Lost out and Gro Project kept their money. But what happends on 12/2/09? Now things need to double up. This quick, all of a sudden change was not really thought out well. If something is free for a certain time period then the loss needs to be made up somewhere. That loss will hit the users AGAIN. New user Agreements now need to be issued? If you are one of the Lucky few that have actually sold Aftermarket Car Accessories or Performance Car Parts from your GRO Project site, Congratulations to you, but now your profit is going to Advertising? What is that all about? Since you are told  25%-35% NET PROFIT  per sale, you got this covered anyway. Dont You?

With the last few days events on GroProjectScam.com it would be confirmed we hit a NERVE with some people. (owners, mentors etc) This was the point. Everyone needs to wake up on this issue.

Discussion on this is in Our Forum

Thanks, Gro-Pro

The Following is some explanation to what you may have gotten involved with or may be deciding as it applies to the GRO Project. We will break down what was actually copied from the Shopping Cart Elite Webstesite and comment IN CAPS along the way. Visit and join our Forum to post related items. Speak your mind. All images, posts & member comments related are there for viewing as well.

Part Three of a series.

GRO Project Mission:

( BEFORE I GO FURTHER THERE IS THE WORD “GRO” AND ITS MEANING  “Get Rich Online”  “GRO” GET IT? THIS IS NOT INTENDID FOR USERS LIKE YOURSELF IT IS PART OF A BIG OVERALL SCHEME OF HOW GRO PROJECT WORKS. THIS WILL BE EXPLAINED LATER. )

Mission for Retailers – Fulfill the technology gap between the average online entrepreneur and Programming (IT) tasks. By providing one on one training and state of the art software technology through Shopping Cart Elite, ( THAT IS STILL IN “PRE DEVELOPMENT” “PRE BETA” STAGES ) GRO Project will become the only solution where an average online entrepreneur can earn more money than an average American. ( A NONSENSE STATEMENT, MORE FICTICOUS NON CONFIRMED #’S )

Mission for Manufactures – Allow manufactures ( ARE ANY SIGNED UP? MAYBE A FEW, BUT THEY ARE ONTO THIS GAME AND MIMOUSA ) the ability to sell their products through thousands of retailers and target millions of end consumers through one portal, GRO Project. The products will be exposed to 90% of the internet (Google, Yahoo, MSN, eBay, Amazon, etc.) which will allow manufacturers to cut their marketing budget and concentrate on providing new and better quality products.

Mission for Distributors – Allow distributors ( AGAIN, ARE ANY SIGNED UP? MAYBE A FEW, BUT THEY ARE ONTO THIS AS WELL ) the ability to sell their inventory through thousands of retailers and target millions of end consumers through one portal, GRO Project. By concentrating on moving the stock inventory only, will ensure that the distributor always has a running cash flow.

Data Sharing Portal – To create a central network where manufactures cooperate with online distributors, drop shippers and retailers for sharing data and live inventory between each other. ( DATA! BE CAUSIOUS HERE WHEN USING IT. IT WAS SCRAPED, STOLEN, PARSED AND RIPPED OFF FROM OTHER SITES THAT ACTUALLY DID THERE OWN DATA AND DEVELOPMENT FOR THEMSELVES. IT’S NICE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE FOR ”FREE HELP” WITHIN THE GRO PROJECT )

Below is the consistant stories from people we come accross that have been down this path or are still trying to do so…ENJOY Reading.  :)

You are in search of the “next big thing” correct? You stumble upon in your Google search “gro project” online business opportunity, instant success, turnkey website, automated income etc. I could go on and on….. or  you are already involved in the aftermarket car accessories and performance car parts sales on ebay, amazon, or your own website. You are looking for a distributor to buy from. A search on google gives you mimousa. Wholesale dropshipper of car parts. WOW what a score, that’s what I need. Poof you call and sign up. You think, your in, got it good now. Based on a conversation with a representative you got you think Let me list a load of products up on ebay now…….tic toc tic toc. You may make some sales but of course now comes the ordering and shipping. Tic toc tic toc the ebay customer emailing you relentlessly “where is my item” you call multiple times “your score” and woooops 10, 15 or maybe 20 days later after the arguments, the negative feed back, the paypal chargeback and you are fully aggravated. What do you do? Naturally you get back on the phone again with the “score” and explain what happened. This all sound familiar yet? If not your lying!

Now you get offered more hope on what is called “GROProject” you get shown a few sites, some seo, etc, sounds like a dream WOW first page of google, my own site, discounted distributors that cant be beat, and only if I join this now, today for limited time only just for me? Wow.  (the dream) You Shell Out $1200.00 – $8000.00 and stop ebay, amazon, maybe your half built website and whatever other ventures and hopes you may have had.

You now join the GROPROJECT, get setup in a class, rearrange your whole life, start some training, ask a million questions to the mentor you get, not realizing how much time you will actually spend doing this until later, maybe 30 days and – BAM!!!! here comes the agreement. You read 30 plus pages and of course being more confused and disillusioned then before,  you sit back and wonder whats going on? What did I get into? Its going to take me a year to learn this stuff. You naturally question all 30 plus pages of the agreement (a well paid attourney wrote it) to your mentor who has diffused the same questions 100 times and is trained to keep you motivated and stay in the program. You ponder this whole thing and You sign the agreement (without your lawyer reading it because your still hoping) and mail it. You then wonder a few months into this venture where is my agreement? What am I doing? I have not made any money yet. I spend 10 hrs a day on this. I should have kept my website, ebay, amazon etc. but now its to late. Eventually you just give up on all the “online” activities and walk away losing your money, time and drive. Hopefully you are not so behind with your bills to have to go bankrupt from the vision you got sold on.

Now maybe all of the above didn’t happened as stated to you, it is related to you in some way. It is 13 months since the gro project classess started. A lot of good people have left and gotten burned from this and in noway want to return. The sites are currently 50% functional; The data is a year old and out of date and never has been completed to date (thanks to overseas india cheap help). The shopping cart has a million issues,  is pre beta testing and not pci compliant. The servers are sitting in a backroom in staten island n.y. in on a shelf. Not in a data center secured as promised. All located on the same ip address sharing the same ssl certificate. Plus 100 other issues we can post later.

 What are you looking for? You can pickup the pieces and vent here in our FORUM, you are not alone. We can all help out and give advice. GRO PROJECT reality is a year away from now. Theres no need on waiting for “THE WHEEL” to be reinvented here.

Thanks, There is More To Come. From Gro-Pro